12/7/08

Obama, The Constitution, And The Supreme Court

"Fighting in the Supreme Court over something as simple as a birth certificate."

The video below is of interest as the speaker, Manning, brings out what may be the most important issue in the Obama saga i.e. the place of birth is not the only determining factor regarding the Obama citizenship question. This is something that should be understood clearly by all. While the msm has been forced to report on this issue, for the most part the stories are inaccurate as to specific details. At any rate, the Supreme Court will decide this coming week whether or not to hear at least two of the different cases and it would be a good idea for Joe Public to be clear on the simple issues. The first case brought to the Court is by Donofrio, and all are presently awaiting the answer as to whether or not they will hear the case. His case deals specifically with only the question of British citizenship, leaving alone the question of place of birth as that is not relevant to his case.

Apparently undisputed is the fact that Obama's father was a British citizen at the time of birth, and under 1948 British law his children would automatically become citizens of the United Kingdom. Additionly, under 1961 U.S. law (see video), Obama's mother, only eighteen at the time, was too young at the time of birth to confer her American citizenship to her child. These things being true, wherever the place of birth, the only U.S. citizenship possible, however it came about, would be one of "naturalized" citizenship. Again, these things being true, there is therefore no possibility of Obama being a "natural born" citizen of the U.S. under the terms of the U.S. Constitution i.e. ineligible for the office of the President of the U.S. Conclusion: This should then be a simple open and shut case.

Note: Why has it had to come all the way to the Supreme Court before being addressed? Something is very wrong already:

Section 1 of Article II of the Constitution contains the clause:“ No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.

(The use of the video is not in an endorsement of either Manning, his church, or his theology. It is to keep watch on all aspects of these events that will affect every person in this country. Manning uses strong language and touches on the issue of race from a 'Black' perspective.)

Notable quotes: Manning starts with the now familiar phrase "growing constitutional crisis"..."and ends with a comment in regard to the absurdity of a presidential-elect "...fighting in the Supreme Court over something as simple as a birth certificate." Also: names Obama as a "local con man par excellence", indicts "Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews and all those news media people at CNN who promoted and ran interference for this scam called Barack Hussien Obama", and indicts Bush as complicit as well:



How is it that this situation, untouched by any lower courts, has made it all the way to the Supreme Court, and that right before the Electoral College of 12-15-08? On that note, an interesting article posted here a month ago made a strange prediction as to the "election result". Chaos was the predicted result. Interesting thing, the election is not actually over yet. Jan. 20 '09 is still a ways off, and many possible chaotic scenarios (here) are presenting themselves: Chaos Predicted For Election Result 11-3-08 (quoted comment):

"Chaos" is always the modus operandi of the NWO. In this case, the 'chaos' table is already set in regard to the election 'results', and the unpalatable main course is sure to be confusion, contested results, endless scripted conflicting news reports, etc., not to mention pending lawsuits and/or a promised constitutional crisis, and who can say what further surprises may be in store for the homeland citizens...all part of the grand production designed to phase out the U.S. and phase in the new order of the North American Union. At any rate, it looks as if the globalist handlers may drag it out for a while...and it will be educational whatever the 'dramatic' outcome:

The ball is in the Supreme Court. Let us see what direction it bounces back. It will be NWO-educational. Remember, The Global Script will always be followed.

see also: Obama's Other Missing Documents 10-28-08
and: 2nd Obama 'Birth Certificate' Lawsuit, Hillary Lurking? 10-16-08
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Psalms 11:4 The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD's throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.

2 comments :

Ted said...

OK folks, Team Obama and its allied MSM have finally responded to Leo Donofrio's Supreme Court position that Obama is not an Article II "natural born citizen" -- proceeding from phase 1 (ignore) to phase 2 (ridicule) now to phase 3 (respond with legal points) ... on the way to phase 4 (acceptance).

Team Obama's legal argument, from OpEdNews -- http://www.opednews.com/articles/Is-Barack-Obama-Natural-Bo-by-Hargrove-081207-817.html -- in a nutshell is as follows:

The Framers elected not to define "natural born citizen," except by exempting themselves, which self exemption "could be due the fact that they were not born in the United States without regard to whether or not they had been subject to British jurisdiction," and the Framers' lack of concern about dual citizenship or loyalties is shown by their only requiring Presidents to have been residents in the United States for 14 years -- meaning an eligible candidate born in the United States still could have resided under the jurisdiction of another country for 21 years or more; and even if the Framers WERE concerned about split loyalties, those were intended to be addressed on a "case by case basis" -- and it would not be reasonable to conclude that Obama would have British loyalty since the British Citizenship conferred on him at birth was only "due to his biological relationship to an estranged and unfamiliar father."

Team Obama concludes that the Framer's definition of "Natural Born Citizen" is the same as "Citizen" meaning all that is required is birth in the United States, even if neither parent is an American Citizen.

I'd say, if that's all they got, Leo's case is a slam dunk!

tom m. said...

Obfuscate the truth is the only possibility, creating a 'crisis of interpretation'.

What is interesting though is the admission of the fact.

Looked at that article and pulled this quote out, which brings up another point, still valid:

from article: "Surely Barack Obama's birth in Hawaii, to an American citizen.."

The author states Obama's birth in Hawaii as an accepted fact. No birth certificate has been produced, this has not been proven, and the point is not conceded. This is more obfuscation.

But, for the Obama team to proceed with this 'rewriting' of the Constitution as a defense, a legitimate Hawaiian certificate would need to be produced. If one were suddenly to appear, it would be instantly clear that this was the strategy all along..to bring it out after the election and keep people looking in the wrong place until now.

It's a real shame to see such things even attempted.

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This was the first post on this blog, back in August, in regard to the fraudulent certificate
8-10-08:

http://anothervoicerev184.blogspot.com/2008/08/barack-birth-certificate-fraud.html