Elephant Room 2: Jude's Apostates

Follow up on: 1-25-12 Elephant Room: Bible Prophecy; Apostasy "Jude also spoke prophetically about men who would in the last days make themselves out to be leaders over the entire Christian church...They "separate themselves", wrote Jude...perhaps, like a board of directors sitting in an "elephant room" thinking that they have the right to interpret the Word of God to fit their agenda and to direct policy for all churches everywhere..." [see post]

'New Tribers' T.D. Jakes, Jack Graham, Mark Driscoll, James MacDonald, Wayne Cordeiro,
Steven Furtick, Crawford Loritts; 1-25-12 Elephant Room 2

"THERE ARE NOW TWO PARTIES in the religious world. The party everywhere apparent has a faith fashioned for the present century – perhaps we ought rather to say, for the present month. It derides the 16th century Gospel and that, indeed, of every period, except the present most enlightened era. It will have no creed because it can have none; it is continually on the move; it is not what it was yesterday, and it will not be tomorrow what it is today.

Nor is it merely doctrinal belief – there is an essential difference in spirit between the old believer and the man of new and advancing views. This is painfully perceived by the Christian man before very long. Even if he be fortunate enough to escape the sneers of the cultured and the jests of the philosophical, he will find his deepest convictions questioned and his brightest beliefs misrepresented by those who dub themselves "Thoughtful men." When a text from the Word has been particularly precious to his heart, he will hear its authenticity impugned, the translation disputed or its Gospel reference denied.

At any rate, cost what it may, to separate ourselves from those who separate themselves from the truth of God is not alone our liberty, but our duty." Spurgeon (1888)

excerpted from Attempts At The Impossible @ Spurgeon Archive
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2Cor. 11:3,4

Elephant Room 2: Bible Prophecy; Apostasy

This post is a follow up on: Code Red: 'Code Orange' False Revival; Steven Furtick; And The Elephant Room 1-15-12 "A new tribe. There it is in a nutshell..."Transformation" is what it is all about. The transformation of the existing world system into a global society...This definitely includes the 'Christian religion'. It too must be "transformed" which will mean embracing the 'new way' of love, peace, tolerance, and acceptance, finding it's equal place in the "spiritual brotherhood" of mankind...The New Tribers...represented here by Furtick, have served notice. Either exchange your "fundamentalism" [i.e. biblical Christianity] and embrace the "new way to change the world", i.e. the evolving New Tribe inclusive spirituality, which these conferences are dialectically advancing, or "your day is done". [ see post]
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What:
Elephant Room 2 When: One day only - January 25, 2012 from 9 – 4 CST
Where: Harvest Studios in Aurora, IL; simulcast at 65 locations around North America.
Who: Jack Graham; T.D. Jakes; Crawford Loritts; Mark Driscoll; Wayne Cordeiro; James MacDonald, Steven Furtick

About: The Elephant Room features blunt conversations between seven influential pastors who take differing approaches to ministry. No keynotes. No canned messages. These are “the conversations you never thought you’d hear.”...The Elephant Room is more than an event. It is the outgrowth of an idea...No one has a corner on the truth and methods must do more than ‘work.’

What if we created a new ‘tribe?’ A tribe based on being humble enough to listen and reconsider what the Scriptures actually say. A tribe that holds the essential tenets of the faith with a ferocious intensity and is open handed with everything else. Maybe, together, we can create a new center? A place where we are for everything the bible demands and demand nothing that scriptures are silent about. Look for guests from all places and belief systems. Don’t be surprised if you hear a conversation with someone that offends you or denies the faith as you see it. Don’t be shocked if you hear conversations with world religion leaders, or criminals or sinners of every variety, “such were some of us.” If the conversation can be helpful, clarifying, insistent or illuminating, or if we hope it will be . . .you will find it in the Elephant Room.
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"Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant...." 2Peter 3:3-5

The phrase "elephant in the room" is used to describe a very large problem that everybody knows about but nobody wants to talk about because it is either very uncomfortable to talk about or it is too controversial. According to Jack Graham, T.D. Jakes, Crawford Loritts, Mark Driscoll, Wayne Cordeiro, James MacDonald [pictured], and Steven Furtick, there is an "elephant in the room" of the so-called Christian world, and that elephant is 'non-unity'. So deciding that the time has come to deal with the Christian elephant of non-unity, they elected themselves to hold a conference where all the causes of division in the so-called church world could be hashed out, and called it the "Elephant Room".

There is a huge problem with this though, and it's bigger than any elephant.

'Code Orange' Emergent-Dominionists: "Remember Lot's Wife"

From: A WARNING TO APOSTATES - "Remember Lot's wife." LUKE xvii. 32

...who for her looking back to a worldly interest was turned into a pillar of salt. And if you ask, Why into a pillar of salt? That by her example she might season others; that by her example, all of us might be warned to take heed of looking back to any worldly interest. But I think also by her looking back, she in some measure complied and comported with the men of Sodom, as they were smitten with brimstone, fire and salt. Deut. 29:23. And the whole land thereof became brimstone and salt. So she, complying with them, and returning in her heart and affections to them, partaking with them in their sin, doth partake with them also in their judgment, and so was turned into salt. Rev. 18:4

If you would not look back in declining times, be sure of this, that you do not run a share or a part in the vessel that God is about to destroy. Where my grief is, there is my finger; where my love is, there is my eye. If I have a share and a part in the vessel that God is about to destroy, I shall look after the vessel, what becomes thereof. Why now, Babylon, that art to be destroyed, Babylon is not to repent; Babylon that art to be destroyed, Babylon is not to be reformed. Wash dirt an hundred times, and you cannot make clean the dirt; Babylon is not to be reformed, but to be destroyed. Take heed therefore of running a part or a share in the boat or vessel that God hath laid out for destruction ; for if you have a part and a share there, you will look back.

William Bridge, M.A. [1600?-1674]
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This post is a follow up on: Code Red: 'Code Orange' False Revival; Steven Furtick; And The Elephant Room 1-15-12

also: Emergent-Dominionists, There Will Be No "Revival": Few Saved - by J.C. Ryle

Code Red: 'Code Orange' False Revival; Steven Furtick; And The Elephant Room

About six years ago purpose driving promoter Rick Warren stated that "Christian fundamentalism" would be an enemy of the 21st century: Rick Warren, Politics, and One World Religion 8-14-08 "January 10, 2006; Rick Warren says Christian fundamentalism will be an enemy of the 21st century" [see post]
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With that thought in mind it is important to take note of the current state of affairs in the present world of so-called Christendom here at the beginning of 2012; in particular with regard to two conferences - one underway now and a second which will follow immediately after:

What: Code Orange Revival (underway) "A twelve night worship experience to set the stage for 2012
When: January 11 - 22, 2012
Where: Steven Furtick's "Elevation Church", Charlotte, NC
Who: Craig Groeschel; Jentezen Franklin; Matt Chandler; Christine Caine; Ed Young; Israel Houghton; Perry Noble; Stovall Weems; Kevin Gerald; T. D. Jakes; James MacDonald; Steven Furtick

About: "Code Orange has a lot of meanings in different sectors of society, but in general it signifies that there is a heightened sense of urgency—something significant is about to happen. Probably the most fitting example that relates to our revival is the description for the Code Orange stage of a volcano: Exhibiting heightened or escalating unrest with increased potential of eruption, timeframe uncertain. That's what the Code Orange Revival is about. We are asking and believing God for an eruption of His power and movement among us in 2012. The 12 days that we will gather for the revival is the stage just before the eruption....The event will be broadcast live on the web for free all over the world from Elevation
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What: Elephant Room
When: One day only - January 25, 2012 from 9 – 4 CST
Where: Harvest Studios in Aurora, IL; simulcast at 65 locations around North America.
Who: Jack Graham; T.D. Jakes; Crawford Loritts; Mark Driscoll; Wayne Cordeiro; James MacDonald, Steven Furtick

About: The Elephant Room features blunt conversations between seven influential pastors who take differing approaches to ministry. No keynotes. No canned messages. These are “the conversations you never thought you’d hear.”...The Elephant Room is more than an event. It is the outgrowth of an idea...No one has a corner on the truth and methods must do more than ‘work.’

What if we created a new ‘tribe?’ A tribe based on being humble enough to listen and reconsider what the Scriptures actually say. A tribe that holds the essential tenets of the faith with a ferocious intensity and is open handed with everything else. Maybe, together, we can create a new center? A place where we are for everything the bible demands and demand nothing that scriptures are silent about. Look for guests from all places and belief systems. Don’t be surprised if you hear a conversation with someone that offends you or denies the faith as you see it. Don’t be shocked if you hear conversations with world religion leaders, or criminals or sinners of every variety, “such were some of us.” If the conversation can be helpful, clarifying, insistent or illuminating, or if we hope it will be . . . you will find it in the Elephant Room.
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First thing to notice is that the conferences are basically back to back and feature some of the same speakers so they must be considered as designed to complement each other. The "Code Orange Revival", presently underway, is described basically as the rumblings of a volcano threatening to erupt...with the 12-day "revival" being the stage just before the eruption. The "eruption" of course, when it does happen, is to be a new and powerful 'movement of God' in 2012. Big is easier to sell.

The second conference, the so-called Elephant Room, will then pick up right where the "revival" left off and begin to focus the energy and give it a tangible direction. What direction that will be is actually summed up neatly in their own mission statement, quoted above. It says "What if we created a new tribe?"

A new tribe. There it is, the whole thing in a nutshell. To make this happen the Elephant Room conference will bring in seven big names in Christendom representing a cross-section of different views and doctrinal beliefs and sit them down so all together now they can "reconsider what the scriptures actually say", because, "no one has a corner on the truth". With those ground rules agreed to, "the conversations" will begin and the different views will then begin to be merged and a pre-planned compromise reached. The new tribe concept will be birthed across the globe. The handiwork of the hegelian dialectic.

That very briefly is an overview of what is taking place.

"Transformation" is what it is all about. The transformation of the existing world system into a global society. That process is far advanced. Before it can be completed though the religions of the world must also be transformed so that they can be fitted into the new global system. This definitely includes the 'Christian religion'. It too must be "transformed" which will mean embracing the 'new way' of love, peace, tolerance, and acceptance, finding it's equal place in the "spiritual brotherhood" of mankind where "religious" is out but "spiritual" is in, because religion divides but spirituality is inclusive. Which is exactly what these conferences are for...moving old way old day Christendom into casting aside religious differences...and creating the new way new day characterized not by divisiveness but by inclusivity - the "New Tribe". With the big names involved in this, it must be considered as being very significant. The strong delusion will be far reaching.

There is still one big problem though, the one identified by Rick Warren a few years back - it is those nasty "Christian fundamentalists". They are just too religious. They just will not "embrace change"...and because of that are the "enemies of the 21st century" [see 'Warren' at top]

Christian fundamentalists as enemies brings up a very interesting connection to these conferences. That same sentiment expressed by Warren was recently expressed, and actually taken to a whole new level, by none other than Code Orange Revival/Elevation Church founder himself, Steven Furtick, in the release of a 'hissssss'-y fit video about ten months ago [3-1-11] called "Hey haters":

Emergent-Dominionists, There Will Be No "Revival": Few Saved - by J.C. Ryle

'But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be' Matthew 24:37
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excerpted from Few Saved by J.C. Ryle, 1877

Narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it

There is only one standard of truth and error to which we ought to appeal. That standard is the Holy Scripture. Whatever is there written we must receive and believe; whatever cannot be proved by Scripture we ought to refuse. Can any reader of this paper subscribe to this? If he cannot, there is little chance of his being moved by any words of mine. If he can, let him give me his attention for a few moments, and I will tell him some solemn things.

Let us look, then, for one thing, at one single text of Scripture, and examine it well. We shall find it in Matthew 7:13-14. "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Now these are the words of our Lord Jesus Christ. They are the words of Him who was very God, and whose words shall never pass away. They are the words of Him who knew what was in man—who knew things to come, and things past—who knew that He should judge all people at the last day. And what do those words mean? Are they words which no man can understand without a knowledge of Hebrew or Greek? No—they are not! Are they a dark, unfulfilled prophecy, like the visions in Revelation, or the description of Ezekiel's temple? No—they are not! Are they a deep mysterious saying, which no human intellect can fathom? No—they are not! The words are clear, plain, and unmistakable. Ask any laboring man who can read, and he will tell you so. There is only one meaning which can be attached to them. Their meaning is, that many people will be lost—and few will be saved.

Let us look, in the next place, at the whole history of mankind as respects religion, as we have it given in the Bible. Let us go through the whole four thousand years, over which the history of the Bible reaches. Let us find, if we can, one single period of time at which godly people were many, and ungodly people were few.

How was it in the days of Noah? The earth we are told expressly was "filled with violence." The imagination of the thoughts of man's heart was only "evil continually." (Gen. 6:5,11,12.) "All flesh had corrupted his way." The loss of paradise was forgotten. The warnings of God, by Noah's mouth, were despised. And at length, when the flood came on the world and drowned every living thing, there were but eight people who had faith enough to flee for refuge to the ark! And were there many saved in those days? Let any honest reader of the Bible give an answer to that question. There can be no doubt what the answer must be.