Mexico City Assembly Legalizes Same-Sex
Mexico City (AP) - Mexico City lawmakers on Monday made the city the first in Latin America to legalize same-sex marriage, a change that will give homosexual couples more rights, including allowing them to adopt children.
Leftist Mayor Marcelo Ebrard of the Democratic Revolution Party was widely expected to sign the measure into law.
The conservative Nation Action Party of President Felipe Calderon has vowed to challenge the gay marriage law in the courts. However, homosexuality is increasingly accepted in Mexico, with gay couples openly holding hands in parts of the capital and the annual gay pride parade drawing tens of thousands
The bill calls for changing the definition of marriage in the city's civil code. Marriage is currently defined as the union of a man and a woman. The new definition will be "the free uniting of two people."
Only seven countries allow gay marriages: Canada, Spain, South Africa, Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands and Belgium. U.S. states that permit same-sex marriage are Iowa, Massachusetts, Vermont, Connecticut and New Hampshire.
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re: 'first city in Latin America'
The radical homosexual agenda, an outright assault on righteousness and truth, has now established a beachhead in Latin America: Mexico City has fallen, has fallen.
Incidentally, the fact that this ungodliness could spread across the globe as 'legal' behavior, as it is doing, is only possible because God Almighty, who is absolutely sovereign over all of His creation, has allowed it to so be. He has in fact passed judgment on the inhabitants of this world and due to the "lusts of their own hearts"....has 'given them up'.
"Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves" (Romans 1:24; cf. 26,28)
It is an indictment on this world, and a clear sign of the lateness of the hour in which we live. God gave them up, i.e. the human race - washed his hands of them in other words as they have utterly rejected Him - and the startling truth is that at that point there is nothing more to do to but judge the whole scene!
That's called "wrath", and it is the sure consequence of man's rebellion- for it is written:
Mexico City (AP) - Mexico City lawmakers on Monday made the city the first in Latin America to legalize same-sex marriage, a change that will give homosexual couples more rights, including allowing them to adopt children.
Leftist Mayor Marcelo Ebrard of the Democratic Revolution Party was widely expected to sign the measure into law.
The conservative Nation Action Party of President Felipe Calderon has vowed to challenge the gay marriage law in the courts. However, homosexuality is increasingly accepted in Mexico, with gay couples openly holding hands in parts of the capital and the annual gay pride parade drawing tens of thousands
The bill calls for changing the definition of marriage in the city's civil code. Marriage is currently defined as the union of a man and a woman. The new definition will be "the free uniting of two people."
Only seven countries allow gay marriages: Canada, Spain, South Africa, Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands and Belgium. U.S. states that permit same-sex marriage are Iowa, Massachusetts, Vermont, Connecticut and New Hampshire.
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re: 'first city in Latin America'
The radical homosexual agenda, an outright assault on righteousness and truth, has now established a beachhead in Latin America: Mexico City has fallen, has fallen.
Incidentally, the fact that this ungodliness could spread across the globe as 'legal' behavior, as it is doing, is only possible because God Almighty, who is absolutely sovereign over all of His creation, has allowed it to so be. He has in fact passed judgment on the inhabitants of this world and due to the "lusts of their own hearts"....has 'given them up'.
"Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves" (Romans 1:24; cf. 26,28)
It is an indictment on this world, and a clear sign of the lateness of the hour in which we live. God gave them up, i.e. the human race - washed his hands of them in other words as they have utterly rejected Him - and the startling truth is that at that point there is nothing more to do to but judge the whole scene!
That's called "wrath", and it is the sure consequence of man's rebellion- for it is written:
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness" (Romans 1:18)
Rev. 18:4
Rev. 18:4
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Equality of homosexuals to heterosexuals: homosexuals have never been found wanting in any sector of society compared to heterosexuals. they are not less a friend, father, counselor, teacher, engineer, soldier, administrator, doctor, neighbor, brother, etc.
There is separation between church and state in this country. Congress shall make no law honoring any religion, or any religious views.
Homosexuality has been deemed legal in this country compared to heterosexuality and therefore legally must be given equal protection under the law for life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. What ever heterosexuals are entitled to, homosexuals must be given the same entitlement.
Believers for 2000 years have attempted to say that the scriptures had declared homosexuality a sin, by adding their own stroke to the law(gen,matt), by making fraudulent transpositions into scripture(1corr,1tim), by assigning meaning to scriptural verses in spite of their words(romans), by assuming all prohibitions of the old testament were of themselves sins and attempting to apply them to the new covenant, to make regulation in the new covenant when in fact the new covenant is without regulation, unlike as is in the old covenant in deut. 28(romans,galatians,1corr).
Jesus said "you will recognize them by their fruit".....the fruit of the spirit that is in their lives..........the fruit of the spirit of Christ is different than that of powers and principalities.(gal)
The lives of single and married homosexual believers are filled with the fruit of the spirit in the same way as those of single and married heterosexual believers.
in regard to the catholic church, the issue is deeper than the issue of homosexuality. the magisterium continues to make unchallengable laws for believers to be led by, because of understandings about a natural law. which means the catholic church still thinks that under the new covenant believers have a relationship to god thru regulation as in deut. 28 under the old covenant, instead of directly to the one who lives in each believer.
when in fact apart from the 2nd commandment the new covenant is without regulation,(love your neighbor...........) the second commandment being a summation of the ENTIRE new covenant law.
"all things are permissable, but not everything is constructive"
in corinithians paul was saying about women teaching in church, that though it was permissable, he did not find it constructive in his churches.
From a NT biblical perspective, homosexuality is not a special category as the homosexual movement would have us believe. They actually fall into a broader category of general sinners, i.e. rebels against the holiness and authority of God Almighty. They are not set apart for special treatment in the inerrant Word of God but are lumped in with "fornicators", which would be sexually active unmarried heterosexuals, as well as adulterers, along with thieves, drunkards, etc. This category is known as "the unrighteous". Thus saith the Lord God.
'Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.' 1 Cor. 6:9-10
It is to be noted that in the above scripture quotation [1 Cor. 6:9], the King James Bible does not use the word 'homosexual', but actually uses a much more graphic and descriptive phrase to translate the meaning of the New Testament Greek word into the English language. Rather than the word "homosexual", the phrase "abusers of themselves with mankind" is used. This phrase has been translated from the original NT Greek word 'arsenokoites'.
The english translation of this word is no innocuous euphemism but a definitive incrimination of the very act. "Abusers of themselves...".
Strong's Greek dictionary gives the definition 'sodomite':
arsenokoites (ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace): from 730 and 2845; a sodomite:--abuser of (that defile) self with mankind
(The Greek word itself is a composite of two other words: #730 "arsen" which means male, and #2845 "koite" which basically means 'intercourse'; Vines Expository Dictionary. fyi)
So, apart from any other considerations, as far as making a case for so-called homosexual marriage on the grounds that, as claimed, the bible does not explicitly speak against the physical act involved - this, as clearly shown, absolutely cannot be substantiated.
In fact, the above scripture strongly warns every man in no uncertain terms against trying to evade the clear biblical injunction against the listed behaviors:
'Be not deceived...[for these (the unrighteous) shall not]...inherit the kingdom of God'
Make your case if you must, but you may not look to the Word of God in the attempt to prove it.
The way is still narrow.
either you are saying that under that believers have a relationship to god thru regulation as under the old covenant in deut. 28, rather than directly to the one who lives in each believer.
or you are saying that being homosexual comes against the fruit of the spirit, and the 2nd commandment( love your neighbor....) the summation of all new covenant law. if so how does it?
reedit
either you are saying that under NEW COVENANT believers have a relationship to god thru regulation as under the old covenant in deut. 28, rather than directly to the one who lives in each believer.
Tom gave an extremely clear biblical explanation. Maybe give it a re-read. You missed it...apparently.
Pray on it....ask the Lord to make these verses Tom gave you clear.
If he is correct (and I do believe he is 100% correct) the cosequence of self deception is eternally costly and that's mighty important.
The Lord will help you through this...ask Him!
(did not respond earlier because i was away from computer)
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feetxxl,
quoting you: "you are saying...
re: "being homosexual comes against the fruit of the spirit,"
...[and] if so how does it?"
- Answer: absolutely that is what the Word of God, not me - although I do believe it and agree, is saying, as the 1 Cor. 6 scripture quoted above clearly shows.
and, "you are saying..
re: "and the 2nd commandment( love your neighbor....)"
..[and] if so how does it?"
- Answer: Loving thy neighbor can in no way be construed as meaning having illicit sexual relations (according to the biblical standard per this discussion) with thy neighbor. That does not meet any definition for the word "love".
A foundational aspect of biblical interpretation is to compare scripture with scripture. A doctrine cannot be formed on one scripture alone but all related passages must be considered together to understand rightly the 'mind of the Spirit'.
for example:
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. Romans 6:1-2a
I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. Romans 6:19
Yielded to righteousness unto holiness, as opposed to uncleanness and iniquity unto iniquity [e.g. 1 Cor. 6:9-10]
- this is no legal requirement [i.e. regulation]
...it is actually the result of the work of the Spirit of God in any regenerated person.
Truly the only acceptable evidence of the presence of the Spirit of God will be, in every case, "righteousness unto holiness". There is a definite cause and effect.
The next verse in the 1 Cor. 6 quoted passage verifies this. A changed life, a "new creature", is the only possible proof that the Holy Spirit of God has regenerated a person:
1 Cor. 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
"Such were some of you" [unrighteous; 1 Cor. 6:10]...but no longer - past tense. It's all about righteousness unto holiness after that, if, a person has been truly washed, sanctified, and justified by the Spirit of God.
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
God forbid. The deeds of the flesh must be put to death:
Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience
And, it is the very work of the Holy Spirit of God, not to pamper the "deeds of the body, but to 'mortify' them:
'For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.' Romans 8:13
So then, it comes down to clinging to the flesh and dying [and wrath], or yielding to the Holy Spirit's work of producing righteousness unto holiness and living:
'There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.' Romans 8:1
'This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.' Gal 5:16
This is Christianity.
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In summation, here then is where the nitty meets the gritty:
"When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole?" John 5:16
tom says that homosexuality comes against the 2nd commandment but cannot explain how.
therefore he is saying that homosexuality is a sin by regulation. but the new covenant is without regulation. under the new covenant, believers do not have a relationship to god thru regulation but instead directly to god thru the one who lives in each believer. rather than stone tablets, the new covenant is written on their hearts, each believer being the temple(holy of holies) as indicated by the torn curtain.
it is spirit that we are led by...........GOD LOVE, which of itself is spirit, which we are called to live by, by the third commandment(love as i have loved you)
" regulation" scripture said was weakened by the sin nature of man. "regulation" was created by the spirit of god not vice versa.
why would believers be led by what was created by the spirit, that was weakened, when they can be led directly by the spirit itself out of relatonship, thru christ, a relationship whose intimacy is beyond words.
why is it you expect me to embrace an understanding that neither you yourself nor tom can explain?
it is my opinion, that the reason you cannot explain it, is because your understanding comes from cultural conditioning formed from mindset and belief system.
mindset and belief system is the antithesis of reason. (but the word reason appears 55 times in the new testament)
tom i left a message not realizing that you had posted a reply.
tom
your whole response is based on your legalistic parsing of arsenkoitai.
first of all paul never taught thru the law, not even with the man who had his fathers wife.
if paul wanted to replicate lev he would have written about it in the word seperate way that it was written in lev. paul was a highly learned man.
instead he creates a compound word with out explanation. compound words have been known to have meaning that has no resemblance to its actual words (ladykiller). so you can believe whatever you want.
paul says in gal 5 that acts of the sin nature are obvious. meaning that by their very own nature or essence it is obvious that that they come against the fruit of the spirit.
there is nothing in homosexuality that comes against the fruit of the spirit.
anything that is a rule without explanation of any violation of spirit automatically becomes regulation(stoning a wood gatherer for violating the sabbath)(num15:32)
galatians says that the entire law is summed up in 2nd commandment. therefore anything that is a sin is that which obviously comes against the love of the second commandment. there is nothing in being homosexual that is obviously against that love.
feetxxl,
you wrote:
"there is nothing in homosexuality that comes against the fruit of the spirit [and] there is nothing in being homosexual that is obviously against that love."
Paul dealt with the argument you present, i.e the end of the commandment being "love":
1 Tim. 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned
In addition to 'love' [charity], he also added good conscience and faith to the "end of the commandment". In so doing he stated that this faith need be unfeigned, which is to say, may not to be used as license for things either unlawful [OT], or, "contrary to sound doctrine - according to the gloroius gospel" [NT].
But, learned man that Paul was, he knew many would try to use grace as license, and identified these as such:
1 Tim. 1:6 'From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling'
He then elaborates on the point. You will note that the 'regulation' is not made for the righteous man, but the regulation/law does still exist for all these:
1 Tim. 1:9 'Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10-11 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind [arsenokoites], for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.'
Included in that list, again, is the arsenokoites (i.e. practicers of male to male intercourse - which is the literal meaning of the word, i.e homosexuals). Paul included this behavior in a list that he calls "contrary to sound doctrine; according to the glorious gospel".
That glorious gospel Paul is referring to contains the sound doctrine of the "fruit of the Spirit". Everything there listed (e.g. arsenokoites/homosexual) is not only against the OT regulation, but against the NT glorious gospel, which clearly then includes being against the fruit of the Spirit.
But if a person will not accept the literal meaning of the Greek for whatever reason...then, as Paul states, the only option is to swerve and resort to vain jangling.
Always better to just submit to the truth of the Word of God.
i am not understanding what you are saying. maybe this will help, in galatians5, the acts of the sin nature that clearly come against the fruit of the spirit ...........love ,joy peace, kindness,patience,gentleness,self-control, goodness, and faithfulness.....are hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy.
galatians5: 19"The acts of the sinful nature are obvious:......"
these by there very nature are self explanatory that they are against the fruit of the spirit. if there are any on the list that are not clear to you, i will be glad to give you explanation.
he also includes sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery. these of themselves are to vague to be self explanatory. they only indicate that there are specific violations under each one of these categories that are self explanatory.
sexual immorality..............sexually addictive promiscuity: an obsession with sexual pleasure acted out indiscriminately.
sexual impurity..............adultery:violation of ones vows
sexual debauchery.........pedophilia: sexual abuse of children
as i said before homosexuality does not fall under any of these categories, because homosexuality is about bonding motivated by mutual love, respect, devotion, affection, and trust for a shared committed life together, exactly the same, as with heterosexuals.
jesus also said in matthew 7. "you will recognize them by their fruit"..............the fruit of the spirit that is in their lives.
because it is in the fruit of the spirit they we lay up treasures in heaven. the things of the fruit of the spirit are the things that last.
and the fruit of the spirit of christ is different from the fruit of the spirit of powers and principalities.
you can apply the same understanding to timothy.
8We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9We also know that law[a] is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—
every single example paul gives is by its own nature it is obvious that it is against the fruit of the spirit.......those who kill their parents, murders,adulters, slave traders, liars,perjurers.....why would perverts be of any other spirit than that that which was obviously against the fruit of the spirit.
the spirit of bonding out of mutual love, affection,devotion, respect, and trust for a shared committed life together is not against the fruit of the spirit.
their love is no different than those who are heterosexual. would you say that those heterosexual who are married do not have the love of god for each other. at least 50% do. in my church committed homosexual couples marry.
it is intersting that in massachussetts the divorce rate of
the gay couples married in the last five years is no where near the divorce rate of the heterosexual couples that were married at the same time.
to say that something is a sin by parsing scripture without an explanation of violation of spirit, is to live by regulation...............as in the example of num 15:32.
by paul saying in galatians that the entire law is summed up in the 2nd commandment, paul is saying that sin in the new covenant is not about violation of regulation but violation of the fruit of the spirit, because the god love of the 2nd commandment is also spirit.
why would there be emphasis on following the law, when we know that we receive no righteousness for doing it. whereas if we live by the love of the 2nd commandment we not only automatically follow the entire law of the new covenant, but in addition we fulfill it as christ did(fulfillment of the law is love).........who said "follow me"
anyone is entitled to any belief without recrimination. but believers in christ have the additional obligation of substantiating their beliefs thru a 1john1 witness that evidences the presence of the spirit of christ(where the spirit rests) in what they believe, thru fellowship of walking in the light.
1john1"that which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life."
but it appears that those who have chosen to believe that homosexuality is a sin refuse to abide by this and instead credit themselves, and others who think the same way, for their denial of fellowship with those who are homosexual.
by doing this, their beliefs remain unsubstantiated, and therefore remain solely their own.
using the NIV rather than the KJV may change the english translation, but not the clear meaning of the actual Greek word that the translations are based on.
at any rate, it is apparent that
...that's your story and you're sticking to it
so it is then
the point i am making is that if you abide by scripture, that the ENTIRE LAW is summed up in the 2nd commandment(love your neighbor......) then for you to say that homosexuality is a sin, requires you to show how it comes against the 2nd commandment. you havent.
if you say that we still have a relationship to god thru regulation as in deut. 28, declaration of sin without any indication of violation of spirit, then you are denying the summation of new covenant law which indicates that sin
is about violation of spirit..........god love.
Feet
If given the choice:
1) Christ, a life in Christ
or
2) a life as a loving homosexual
Which would it be?
According to God's word it can NOT be both...it is abundantly clear.
In or out? One day the truth will be eternally clear to you. By then it will be too late.
It quite clear....everything taught you here....rock solid interpretation of biblical truth
anonomous
you jump all around about homosexuality. why dont explain directly what it is in being homosexual that comes against the fruit of the spirit(the essence of the spirit of christ) and the 2nd commandment(the summation of the ENTIRE law of the new covenant)?
if i asked you the same about thievery, murder, or adultery you would have no problem.
anonymous
so you are saying that because of legalizations involving 1tim and 1corr, homosexuality is a sin, even though you cannot say how it comes against the fruit of the spirit and the 2nd commandment (paul saying the acts of the sin nature are obvious and very apparent by their very nature)
in addition you have no 1john1witness in fellowship of walking in the light with homosexual believers to substaniate your beliefs
it appears you are saying that your understanding comes from belief system. everyone is entitled to their beliefs without recrimination. however whether their understanding is supported by scripture and a 1john1 witness is another matter.
1 Cor 6:9,10
God's inspired word. Fact...period.
The world is full of "nice, good loving people".....who are not Christians. Nice,loving, good people may be Christian but those characteristics do not make them one...or qualify them. We are all sinners before belief in Christ as our Savior. You become Christian only because you profess Christ to be your Savior while at the same time repenting one's sinful nature. The natural outcome is then a burning desire to obediently turn from sin and follow Him...and His divine word as written. The Holy Spirit enables the individual to then actively turn from sinful behavior.
Man was designed by God to unite with woman...
Nowhere in scripture is the union of man with man or woman to woman clearly and specifically justified. It is sin...an abomination specifically stated. Any justification is then done by twisting scripture (as you are doing) out of context or by misapplication. If this is what is being taught to you in your church it is false teaching.
I understand a need to feel "at peace" with one's self and holy by your own definition. This is self deception. Eternal consequences are an eternity in hell...
Seek Him in prayer and as well, further pastoral counsel. There is a reason you have a need to persist here.
anonymous
so what you are saying is that the new covenant has an amended set of regulations and that as in the old covenant we have a relationship to god thru regulation.
regulation being a violation of physicality in spite of their being no violation of spirit. that homosexuals as long as they dont indulge in intercourse are not sinning. in spite of the fact that homosexual bonding is done out of mutual love, affection, devotion,respect ,and trust for a shared committed life together......exactly the same as with heterosexuals.
this is exactly what was depicted in num 15.
num 15: 32 While the Israelites were in the desert, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. 33 Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, 34 and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. 35 Then the LORD said to Moses, "The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp." 36 So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the LORD commanded Moses.
but galatians says that the entire law is not summed up in a new set of amended regulations but instead the 2nd commandment, which is to be done while believers are doing the 1st commandment(believers cannot love god unless they love their brother as well.
the 2nd commandment is not about obedience to regulation but to solely loving your neighbor and self. love involves honoring another's life experiences and sincerity of heart.
but you would negate this out of regulation, a regulation determined out of inference, where you have added the word "only" ,your own stroke. why would you think that anything good could come from violating christ's words about the importance of each stroke. if christ is not going to add anything, why would you give that license to yourself.
you trump obedience to regulation over the love of the 2nd commandment. where living that love fulfills the law, and obedience receives no righteousness.
you are crediting yourself with knowing the mind of god when scripture says that only the holy spirit knows this and that we believers see only in part thru a poor reflection darkly.
just because something is not written clearly in scripture doesnt mean that it is against god.
its amazing the amount of genecide historically committed over differences about regulation when in truth, the new covenant is without regulation.
apart from the second commandment "everything thing is permissable, but not everything is constructive"
homosexuality is a 'sin' for this reason:
"Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body" 1 Cor. 6:18
and the bible says:
more specifically, as for those who *practice homosexual behavior, that the specific sin/s against their own bodies which they are guilty of are "abuse" and "defilement":
In doing the deeds, they become
"abusers of themselves" 1 Cor. 6:9
and, in doing the deeds, that they "defile themselves" 1 Tim 1:10
(*Some people like the NIV. The NIV uses the word "homosexuals" in 1 Cor. 6:9 as among the "wicked that will not inherit the kingdom of God:
'Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders' [offenders: those who partake of the physical acts])"
You can run but you cannot hide.
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"He that is of God heareth God's words" John 8:47
are you saying that masterbastion is a sin.....................if so how is it. by inference of regulation thru making "fornication" to mean anything you want it to mean
man shall not have an orgasm unless it is only by a women's vagina in marriage. that doesnt explain how masterbation comes against the 2nd commandment.
what are your regulations about anal sex. that its a sin if you touch your pardner an inch from her anus. or is it you can touch it as long as there is no penetration. or is penetration okay as long as it is not done by a member of your body. or is it penetration is okay as long as there is no orgasm.
did god make a mistake because the anus is an errogernous zone, and anal orgasms are possible. in fact some women get a more intense orgasm thru anal sex than vaginal.
'And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.' Gal. 5:24
and your point is in response to my comment.................and yes we all can quote scripture.
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