[updated 3-23] If you not heard of 'Flat Earth' you will. A raging 'internet conspiracy' for the past few years, it is now being brought into the mainstream via Zio-employee celebrities making public statements. This Shaq story was a few days ago. Even more recent 'FE' made the 'Jimmy Kimmel Show' 3-21-17 [Youtube]. Thousands and thousands of YT videos over the past couple of years have got the thing going, professionally done many of them, leading even to Flat Earth conferences now being held by 'leaders' of the movement. And so with that, right on cue to really push it out there, time for celebrity endorsements:
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Shaq is a flat-Earther too, apparently
Amazingly, Shaq is the fourth basketball-famous living human to espouse flat-Earth beliefs in recent weeks. After Irving asserted that our absolutely, positively round planet is just a stone pancake floating in space, fellow NBA stars Wilson Chandler and Draymond Green stepped up to voice their agreement.
The claims have created such an atmosphere of fascinated consternation that league commissioner Adam Silver brought them up publicly in February, in his annual "state of the NBA" address.
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2nd source - direct Shaquille O'Neal quote 3-18-17: “It’s true. The Earth is flat. The Earth is flat. Yeah, it is. Yes, it is. Listen, there are three ways to manipulate the mind — what you read, what you see and what you hear. In school, first thing they teach us is, ‘Oh, Columbus discovered America,’ but when he got there, there were some fair-skinned people with the long hair smoking on the peace pipes. So, what does that tell you? Columbus didn’t discover America. So, listen, I drive from coast to coast, and this (expletive) is flat to me. I’m just saying. I drive from Florida to California all the time, and it’s flat to me. I do not go up and down at a 360-degree angle, and all that stuff about gravity, have you looked outside Atlanta lately and seen all these buildings? You mean to tell me that China is under us? China is under us? It’s not. The world is flat.”
Above image is the basic model of the "Flat Earth". Some models may vary but this gives the basic idea - which is a domed enclosed system, the dome supposedly being the biblical firmament. At the edges are tall ice walls (no falling off edge) which are military guarded to keep anybody from seeing them (which is why exactly zero pictures exist). The sun is said to be approximately 3000 miles high circling around and above the flat earth something like a flashlight pointing down in only one area at a time, and the beam cannot be seen outside of that area. This creates night on one half and day on the other of the flat plane. On a flat earth the sun never goes down (only looks like it does - sunset/sunrise an optical illusion - variously explained). The moon on the flat earth has it's own light as it would be impossible for it to reflect sunlight with the sun shining down on it's own half only. But it still manages to go through all it's monthly phases even though there is nothing to block the moon as viewed from the flat earth.
There's much more to this of course. This is the very basic. Without going into any of the many many arguments 'for' FE, the simple fact is that the FE sun and moon model does not work, cannot work. For this reason alone the bottom line is that 'Flat Earth' is absolutely impossible:
Sun Goes Down Not Around
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What seems to hook most people into a 'new FE belief' is the question of whether or not it is really possible for the earth to be spinning at 1000 mph (at equator) and at the same time orbiting the sun at 67,000 mph (as the official story goes) - yet with no evidence of any motion whatsoever. This then is stated as not being possible, and logically it makes sense, and the hook is in. Then scripture is used to 'prove' it, and the hook is set. A spinning-globe earth is now impossible to the proselyte, leaving only the fixed flat-earth option. This of course is also just a basic description - here as regards the dynamic of FE conversion.
What is interesting though, but is never part of the discussion, is what the Bible really teaches about the subject. Namely, not a spinning sun-orbiting globe or a fixed flat earth - but rather, a fixed globe, not spinning, with the sun orbiting the earth, not the reverse. Non-spinning non-orbiting (globe) earth is in fact biblical, although few realize this. Now whether or not a person believes that is neither here nor there. That that is what the bible gives on the topic is just the plain fact - see: link
Flat domed terrarium earth? Where the Zio-strategists for the would-be Antichrist-kingdom-come are going with this is still unclear at this point. Maybe it's to convince the sheeples that since they are just terrarium-dwellers they should have no problem also becoming 666 'pet-humans'.
In the meantime it's a massive dumbing down and robbing of common sense and critical thinking skills from the soon-to-be 'pets' [link].
And looking like it's here to stay.
Critical thinking - do not surrender it.
Rev. 18:4
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Psalms 113:3 'From the rising of the sun unto the going down of the same the LORD'S name is to be praised' [cf. Job 26:7]
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Shaq is a flat-Earther too, apparently
Amazingly, Shaq is the fourth basketball-famous living human to espouse flat-Earth beliefs in recent weeks. After Irving asserted that our absolutely, positively round planet is just a stone pancake floating in space, fellow NBA stars Wilson Chandler and Draymond Green stepped up to voice their agreement.
The claims have created such an atmosphere of fascinated consternation that league commissioner Adam Silver brought them up publicly in February, in his annual "state of the NBA" address.
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2nd source - direct Shaquille O'Neal quote 3-18-17: “It’s true. The Earth is flat. The Earth is flat. Yeah, it is. Yes, it is. Listen, there are three ways to manipulate the mind — what you read, what you see and what you hear. In school, first thing they teach us is, ‘Oh, Columbus discovered America,’ but when he got there, there were some fair-skinned people with the long hair smoking on the peace pipes. So, what does that tell you? Columbus didn’t discover America. So, listen, I drive from coast to coast, and this (expletive) is flat to me. I’m just saying. I drive from Florida to California all the time, and it’s flat to me. I do not go up and down at a 360-degree angle, and all that stuff about gravity, have you looked outside Atlanta lately and seen all these buildings? You mean to tell me that China is under us? China is under us? It’s not. The world is flat.”
There's much more to this of course. This is the very basic. Without going into any of the many many arguments 'for' FE, the simple fact is that the FE sun and moon model does not work, cannot work. For this reason alone the bottom line is that 'Flat Earth' is absolutely impossible:
Sun Goes Down Not Around
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What seems to hook most people into a 'new FE belief' is the question of whether or not it is really possible for the earth to be spinning at 1000 mph (at equator) and at the same time orbiting the sun at 67,000 mph (as the official story goes) - yet with no evidence of any motion whatsoever. This then is stated as not being possible, and logically it makes sense, and the hook is in. Then scripture is used to 'prove' it, and the hook is set. A spinning-globe earth is now impossible to the proselyte, leaving only the fixed flat-earth option. This of course is also just a basic description - here as regards the dynamic of FE conversion.
What is interesting though, but is never part of the discussion, is what the Bible really teaches about the subject. Namely, not a spinning sun-orbiting globe or a fixed flat earth - but rather, a fixed globe, not spinning, with the sun orbiting the earth, not the reverse. Non-spinning non-orbiting (globe) earth is in fact biblical, although few realize this. Now whether or not a person believes that is neither here nor there. That that is what the bible gives on the topic is just the plain fact - see: link
Flat domed terrarium earth? Where the Zio-strategists for the would-be Antichrist-kingdom-come are going with this is still unclear at this point. Maybe it's to convince the sheeples that since they are just terrarium-dwellers they should have no problem also becoming 666 'pet-humans'.
In the meantime it's a massive dumbing down and robbing of common sense and critical thinking skills from the soon-to-be 'pets' [link].
And looking like it's here to stay.
Critical thinking - do not surrender it.
Rev. 18:4
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Psalms 113:3 'From the rising of the sun unto the going down of the same the LORD'S name is to be praised' [cf. Job 26:7]
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/03/23/shaquille-oneal-says-he-was-just-joking-with-flat-earth-comments/
So now Shaq was just joking about the earth being flat? Really? Didn't sound like a joke to me. Nothing like talking out of both sides of his mouth. We all know he sold out a long, long time ago. Too bad.
Shaq 'took it back' - but perhaps that was the plan all along.
That he took it back may not matter. Publicity was huge - Shaq got it started, Kimmel took it and ran with it, and overnight the 'FE conversation' went everywhere.
Vast numbers of people who never heard of 'FE', or those who maybe heard something but never really gave it a second thought - well they've heard of it now, and the others are giving it a second thought now.
And the questions are now raised for everybody. Guess that's why it's called a psyop.
While there are many dis-info agents giving out information on the "flat earth theory", I believe you need to extend your research on this topic. Remember that these agents give "half-truths" which means you shouldn't completely disregard what the Bible tells us because so much information on this topic is going around. Your argument of the sunrise/sunset going up and down, instead of around, can easily be explained. This video gives a good visual:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg4ZeGJiyNA&t=8s
Remember, we've all been indoctrinated with what they've wanted us to believe for years.
You are talking to someone has personally watched 1000's of sunsets - living for many many years in a place with a daily view of the sun going down on a clear unobstructed horizon 365 days a year. It is no "optical illusion".
Every day high noon sun dropping out of the sky and going down over the horizon. The sun 3000 miles up would never get near the horizon - or - even look it did.
Another point - the moon on the flat earth would have to be a full moon every night. Nothing to block the light (unless the 'man-in-the-moon' was pulling down his shades in his self-lit moon).
Another point - any eclipse would be impossible - nothing to ever cross the path of the sun or of the moon...and the sun and moon could never cross their paths nor look like they did viewing from the FE @ 3000 miles up on opposite sides of the FE.
Many more 'another point'-s could be adduced to prove FE impossible but it really is unnecessary.
Flat earth simply does not work. It is a lie.
The FE psyop-ers have all sorts of "explanations" for everything - and many of them keep changing. Reason? The explanations don't jive so they just come up with a new one.
re: "disregard what the Bible tells us"
The bible teaches a stationary globe earth with the sun orbiting the earth i.e. sun rising and going down. Unlike FE this actually works. The FE's disregard this completely.
Rev. 18:4
re: "The bible teaches a stationary globe earth with the sun orbiting the earth i.e. sun rising and going down. Unlike FE this actually works."
You need to re-read your Bible because nowhere in the Bible does it state anything about a globe.
"It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are like grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:" Isaiah 40:22 KJV
Circle is the only mention, yet somehow it's been turned into a globe. The Bible DOES in fact tell us that.
to Anon above,
Have read the bible a few times. No the bible does not state explicitly a globe earth. Little to no information is actually given on the subject. All can be only deduced by inference.
FE's love to quote 'the circle', 'the four corners', 'the ends of the earth', and a few others, and say oh these cannot be figurative i.e figures of speech, but must be taken as absolutely literal.
But when it comes to the many many references to the sun rising, and going down, which clearly is to be taken literally...oh no say FE's...this is figurative.
What?
FE does not, cannot work. There is no man-in-the-moon. It is a psyop of the kabbalists (sorcery).
Rev. 18:4
Ps 118
8 "It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man."
Little to no information on the subject? Do not be deceived by one verse my friends, two or three witnesses.
So what exactly does the word of God say in reference to the Earth. That it's a circle as seen from above, it cannot be moved. It is fixed, immovable and it has ends. It has foundations and pillars, it spreads like a tent. The firmament is as molten glass. The sun goes down its circuits as does the moon. The stars sing to the Lord and a third shall fall onto earth in the last days. Stars are living and not stationary either. In fact as it is written Joshua 9:
1-2 told the sun to stand still over Gibeon and the moon to stand still over Valley of Aijalon. In Joshua 10:
13 "And the Sun stood still, and the Moon stayed"
Gen 1:
7 "And God made the FIRMAMENT, and divided the WATERS which were UNDER the firmament from the WATERS which were ABOVE the firmament: and it was so." (waters in space?)
Job37
18 "Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?"
Ps 93
1 "The world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved." (Stationary not spinning)
Isaiah 45:
18 "For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else."
The obvious deceiving organization of NASA who uses CGI and hollywood tricks to fool the citizens, worships Apollo and should not be a credible source...
As to occultic worldly references, gematria is found in stats such as the supposed orbit around the sun at (66,600 miles)...with an axis of 23.4 and a remainder of (66.6 degrees)
Research
Sun worship, operation fishbowl, project blue beam, the Antarctic treaty, the fake moon landing, emergency flight patterns, reflections in the sky, the shadows on rainbows, the dark side of the moon, the curvature of the earth, digital telescopes, planetariums....the list is endless...
Remember it was the judeo-christians who got mocked for believing the earth was flat...over 500 years ago. Which one is the psyop? It is ignorant to say that FE simply does not work. The very same model being supported here holds no factual or substantial claims to defend itself. In fact it supports other false theories such as evolution. You did not even debunked with the word of God.
But of course some will hold on to theology rather than truth, but may God rebuke Satan and the lies and may our brothers and sisters in Christ awake to the global deception and learn to discern between wolves in sheep's clothing and true believers.
2 Timothy 4:3-5 KJV
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; [4] And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. [5] But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry."
Let God bless his children Amen.
Anon (directly above),
All you have stated proves no-thing. Apparently you did not read the post either - which states that indeed the earth is fixed i.e not spinning, and that this is in fact the biblical view...but a sphere, not flat. Flat is impossible.
re: 'as a molten looking glass'
That's called a "simile" ["as" not "is"]. If someone says "he is as strong as on ox" - is he really?
re: "The world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved." (Stationary not spinning)"
Exactly what is stated in the above post. Applies perfectly to the biblical-model fixed non-spinning sphere earth...
re: "earths has ends"
- a figure of speech - and could very well be interpreted as referring to the north and south poles
How come the North Star can never be seen from the southern hemisphere?
How come the phases of the moon are impossible to explain?
How come the 3000-mile high sun 'pointing down like a flashlight', when it moves away from a straight up (high noon) position to the viewer, does not begin to become elliptical in appearance? It would have to as the viewing angle would become sharper and sharper as it moves away. Or does the flashlight begin to point sideways as the sun 'optically-illusionarily' goes down? [the sun stays perfectly round all the way 'down' to the horizon and over]
As to the supposed dimensions of the earth - there is no reason to believe them to be truthful. The heliocentric model those given dimensions supposedly support is not the biblical model - this fixed-sphere planet may be much larger than 'science' has said.
Here's the thing. FE cannot answer the very basic issues such as the above stated. So what they do is avoid them as much as possible and then constantly 'change the subject' - to subjects like [quote: you] "Stars are living" - as if stars could not at the same time be a metaphor to describe angels as well as in other verses just mean plain stars [Ps. 136:9]
To debate these type of arguments is a diversion - which is why they are employed. Since FE can never explain the basics they must exploit every other thing they can come up with to create confusion. And then hammer away on the confusion - ordo ab chao.
There is no point in spending time on the diversionary arguments - as the basics are unanswerable.
August 21, 2017 is going to be a very rare total solar eclipse across the USA.
How will FE try to explain this? Will the moon suddenly go out of it's orbit to the opposite side of the earth and block the sun for a few hours in the USA - and then hurry back to it's own side of the FE before anybody notices it missing?
How FE-ers will try to explain this one is unknown - but it oughta be a doozy.
(note: 8-21-17 eclipse can only happen on a sphere earth)
Flat earth is impossible. It is a massive lie, a work of kabbalistic-sorcery upon the people of the world.
Do not be deluded i.e. ordo ab chao witchhcrafted - Proverbs 19:27
The FE model also describes the sun and moon's courses as well as how eclipses work. If you've never heard as to why then thats another matter and you need to do more research on the subject your are choosing to go against. It is not impossible...There is logic. The thing with the FE model is that it consists of more than a plate and two flashlights hovering over it. Its needs to be taken seriously and seen with a critical eye, not just ignorantly be placed away over a sunset and sunrise which has it own explanation in the model as well. (perspective)
God created a lesser light when he created the moon. There are biases here clearly and regardless of evidence presented, it is going unseen. Therefore why waste time sending you hours of evidence when the outcome will simply be it does not work. The geocentric model was first based on a flat plane and later a sphere. It progressively kept changing and gave rise to the heleocentric model.
Most FE maps are just simply extended and stretched out on a ball...Even the UN and others have it in their logos.(Hidden in plain sight)
Your model clearly has no motion and you would prove that with Bible verses yet, the basis of it being a sphere comes very short. Due to seeing a circular sun and moon does not prove that a 3-D ball exists. Water level is always flat, no perfect curvature whatsoever. The fact that your earth, sun and "planets" orbit means that you are also supporting the theories of gravity which too have been debunked.
So now you instead choose to pre- judge and accuse without knowing. I am sure that regardless of what you or I call Him the Lord remains Lord of Lords King of Kings. So let's say Emmanuel instead before you start a debate on name translations. Jesus is a translated as well.
As for similes they are used to paint a picture and give comparisons, so he may not be strong just like the ox but he is STRONG. So the firmament is being compared to molten looking glass because it looks similar in appearance. Just like the man was similar to the ox in that they both had strength.
Why would ends of the earth be a figure of speech? The South pole is but a myth and the southern "hemisphere" is at the edges of the circle while the north star is centered. (Distance) They are transparent lights not solids. Angels and stars are used interchangeably for a reason. The stars are celestial beings appointed by God. They "twinkle and move" they even fight in the Bible.
Judges 5:20 They fought from heaven; the stars in their courses fought against Sisera
Ps148: 2 Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts.
3Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light.
4Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.
Where does his mercy seat sit? If not above earth? Who is above and not upside down? The FE model disagrees with kabalists so that idea makes no sense at all. Explain the waters above? Please avoid the canopy theory which too has no support.
Again countless other questions all explicable thru a FE model yet it is going unseen and treated with hostility. In order for a movement to become controlled opposition if first has to be made mainstream then discredited.
May the Holy Spirit guide you and may your heart not harden unto the truth because the Globe is enslavement. A slave is not free.
re: The FE model also describes the sun and moon's courses as well as how eclipses work. If you've never heard as to why then thats another matter and you need to do more research on the subject
The research has been done. Have spent considerable time viewing all the YT videos trying to find even one plausible workable-model for FE...but it does not exist. The supposed proofs for eclipses, sun, moon, etc. are every one complete nonsense. That is just the fact of it. For a perfect example - 'can't see the North Star from the southern (quote you: the FE outer edge) hemisphere because of "distance"'.
Too far to see? What? The North star is too far to see from the FE outer edge? Is that the best they can come up with? Of course it is because nonsense can only be explained by more nonsense. Not even with a powerful telescope?
Same for all the attempts to explain FE sun/moon eclipses and more - Nonsense explained with more nonsense. It's all they've got. Like why with a powerful telescope on a very clear day one continent cannot be seen from another - should be no problem on FE. Oh it's because of water vapor in the atmosphere they will say. And jet fuel can melt steel too right?
This by the way is not hostility. I'm not sure if you really believe what you say or if you're shilling it though.
Regardless, your arguments against the statements that FE cannot work basically comes down to "does to, does to".
Again, because ultimately that is the only argument for the impossible.
So yes no need to keep pressing them. Here's an idea though try to come up with a logical provable FE model for the 8-21-17 total eclipse that absolutely makes perfect sense ...
If (when) you can't get past that - have to admit FE is a lie-hoax
'logical, provable, absolutely makes perfect sense' - it cannot be done.
So then prove it is a sphere...
To Anon (directly above),
re: prove the earth is a sphere
Some proofs:
The seasons - winter, spring, summer, fall. Throughout the year the days are different lengths - shorter and longer. Along with that the sun rises and sets at different times every day. Also the spot where the sun sets or rises changes throughout the year. For another example, ocean tides, always different heights, high and low, changing constantly, and always at different times of the day.
These things, and more, happen because of the changing positions, relative to each other, of the sun, moon, and earth - daily and throughout the year. Relative to each other, the positions continually change, and the effects of that are the things mentioned above. And all in perfectly ordered cycles.
On FE none of these are possible. Everyday would have to be exactly the same. The position of the sun and moon relative to each other and to the FE below could never change. Look at the dome-earth model. Round and round above the FE like the hands of a clock. No way for shorter/longer days, different tides at different times, winter spring summer fall etc. Everything the same, every day. It could not be any other way. Can the FE sun or moon speed up and then slow down again to allow changes? No. FE has to be ruled out.
As for the earth shape being a sphere, the perfect cycles mentioned above can only work with a sphere. This is because while the position of the sun, moon, and earth change relative to each other - the distance between the sun and the earth, and the distance between the moon and the earth, would not change on a sphere. Always the same distance to the earth. This allows all the cycles to function in perfect order as they do.
If the earth were not a sphere - say football or pear shaped or what have you, distances between the sun/moon and the earth would change as well as the positions. This would create very extreme fluctuations in these cycles - which we do not see.
For example the orbit of the moon is demonstrably circular. If the earth were not a sphere, as the moon in a circular orbit went around the irregular-shape-earth, the distance between it and the earth would be constantly changing. The effect would have to be very noticeable. It is not. For just one example, the moon would have to look smaller on one part of the earth than another. It does not, never has.
Only a perfect sphere can explain the perfect system we see.
Psalms 19:1-2 'The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge'
What I don't understand, I've looked into both sides logically and biblically, and both sides have good points. But the way I see it, neither is going to lead me to God or be my salvation. There is only One that can do that. And we may never fully "know" until He shows us first hand. Flat earth and globe earth, however, are both VERY brilliant ways to split God's people and to separate people who are after truth. But I do have a hard time believing it's a salvation issue worth allowing more division. The topic, quite frankly, at this point just upsets me.
Anyhow, to avoid becoming more repetitive, I bid adieu.
All one need do is look around with their very own eyeballs to know the truth. Is the moon a flat disc? Is a tree a flat disc?
Come Lord.
I agree with the last poster's "Even so come, Lord Jesus!" Amen! anyway, I don't know either way, but I do have a couple really old Bibles with pictures in the front of them of a flat earth with a dome covering it. It looks like one of those balls you get at Christmas with the fake snow that you shake and the snow falls, know what I mean? I have 2 of these Bibles, early 1900s. They believed it back then. I'm not into it personally, but I AM grieved to see videos all over You Tube of people calling sound Preachers "false teachers" because they believe the world is round. It's become its own religion. (Maybe I should have answered on the new post?) Either way, God bless, brother!
(I'm still sorting through things to share with you, one in particular I need to find again, I didn't forget!) Maranatha!
To reiterate some of the things in previous comments - for the record:
Flat earth everyday would be exactly the same - sun and moon would go round and round as if on rails, no deviation ever possible.
Here are just a few things things proving flat earth simply not possible:
1. Sun and moon would both be visible at all times on flat earth
2. Phases of the moon not possible on flat earth - moon would always be full
3. Moon would have to have it's own light on flat earth
4. Seasons - winter spring summer fall - not possible on flat earth when sun and moon never change position realtive to each other and earth
5. No sunset, sunrises on flat earth
6. Location of sunset, sunrise on horizon changes location daily, moving back and forth across a wide berth over the year (this not possible on fe - position of sun could never change)
7. Days longer and shorter through year (flat earth no day-length variations possible - sun and moon never alter)
8. No eclipses possible on flat earth - position of moon and sun relative to each other could never change i.e. cross paths and cause an 'eclipse'
9. Ocean tides are different heights every day of the year (fe sun and moon never change, tides would be same every day)
10. The North Star never visible from the southern hemisphere
11. Different constellations northern and southern hemisphere
12. Season of 24 hr sun in arctic & antarctic summer, season of 24 hr night in arctic & antarctic winters (impossible w flat earth model)
All these things (and much more) are explainable by a globe earth only. Fixed earth - has to be a globe - is what is biblical.
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