About six years ago purpose driving promoter Rick Warren stated that "Christian fundamentalism" would be an enemy of the 21st century: Rick Warren, Politics, and One World Religion 8-14-08 "January 10, 2006; Rick Warren says Christian fundamentalism will be an enemy of the 21st century" [see post]
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With that thought in mind it is important to take note of the current state of affairs in the present world of so-called Christendom here at the beginning of 2012; in particular with regard to two conferences - one underway now and a second which will follow immediately after:
What: Code Orange Revival (underway) "A twelve night worship experience to set the stage for 2012
When: January 11 - 22, 2012
Where: Steven Furtick's "Elevation Church", Charlotte, NC
Who: Craig Groeschel; Jentezen Franklin; Matt Chandler; Christine Caine; Ed Young; Israel Houghton; Perry Noble; Stovall Weems; Kevin Gerald; T. D. Jakes; James MacDonald; Steven Furtick
About: "Code Orange has a lot of meanings in different sectors of society, but in general it signifies that there is a heightened sense of urgency—something significant is about to happen. Probably the most fitting example that relates to our revival is the description for the Code Orange stage of a volcano: Exhibiting heightened or escalating unrest with increased potential of eruption, timeframe uncertain. That's what the Code Orange Revival is about. We are asking and believing God for an eruption of His power and movement among us in 2012. The 12 days that we will gather for the revival is the stage just before the eruption....The event will be broadcast live on the web for free all over the world from Elevation
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What: Elephant Room
When: One day only - January 25, 2012 from 9 – 4 CST
Where: Harvest Studios in Aurora, IL; simulcast at 65 locations around North America.
Who: Jack Graham; T.D. Jakes; Crawford Loritts; Mark Driscoll; Wayne Cordeiro; James MacDonald, Steven Furtick
About: The Elephant Room features blunt conversations between seven influential pastors who take differing approaches to ministry. No keynotes. No canned messages. These are “the conversations you never thought you’d hear.”...The Elephant Room is more than an event. It is the outgrowth of an idea...No one has a corner on the truth and methods must do more than ‘work.’
What if we created a new ‘tribe?’ A tribe based on being humble enough to listen and reconsider what the Scriptures actually say. A tribe that holds the essential tenets of the faith with a ferocious intensity and is open handed with everything else. Maybe, together, we can create a new center? A place where we are for everything the bible demands and demand nothing that scriptures are silent about. Look for guests from all places and belief systems. Don’t be surprised if you hear a conversation with someone that offends you or denies the faith as you see it. Don’t be shocked if you hear conversations with world religion leaders, or criminals or sinners of every variety, “such were some of us.” If the conversation can be helpful, clarifying, insistent or illuminating, or if we hope it will be . . . you will find it in the Elephant Room.
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First thing to notice is that the conferences are basically back to back and feature some of the same speakers so they must be considered as designed to complement each other. The "Code Orange Revival", presently underway, is described basically as the rumblings of a volcano threatening to erupt...with the 12-day "revival" being the stage just before the eruption. The "eruption" of course, when it does happen, is to be a new and powerful 'movement of God' in 2012. Big is easier to sell.
The second conference, the so-called Elephant Room, will then pick up right where the "revival" left off and begin to focus the energy and give it a tangible direction. What direction that will be is actually summed up neatly in their own mission statement, quoted above. It says "What if we created a new tribe?"
A new tribe. There it is, the whole thing in a nutshell. To make this happen the Elephant Room conference will bring in seven big names in Christendom representing a cross-section of different views and doctrinal beliefs and sit them down so all together now they can "reconsider what the scriptures actually say", because, "no one has a corner on the truth". With those ground rules agreed to, "the conversations" will begin and the different views will then begin to be merged and a pre-planned compromise reached. The new tribe concept will be birthed across the globe. The handiwork of the hegelian dialectic.
That very briefly is an overview of what is taking place.
"Transformation" is what it is all about. The transformation of the existing world system into a global society. That process is far advanced. Before it can be completed though the religions of the world must also be transformed so that they can be fitted into the new global system. This definitely includes the 'Christian religion'. It too must be "transformed" which will mean embracing the 'new way' of love, peace, tolerance, and acceptance, finding it's equal place in the "spiritual brotherhood" of mankind where "religious" is out but "spiritual" is in, because religion divides but spirituality is inclusive. Which is exactly what these conferences are for...moving old way old day Christendom into casting aside religious differences...and creating the new way new day characterized not by divisiveness but by inclusivity - the "New Tribe". With the big names involved in this, it must be considered as being very significant. The strong delusion will be far reaching.
There is still one big problem though, the one identified by Rick Warren a few years back - it is those nasty "Christian fundamentalists". They are just too religious. They just will not "embrace change"...and because of that are the "enemies of the 21st century" [see 'Warren' at top]
Christian fundamentalists as enemies brings up a very interesting connection to these conferences. That same sentiment expressed by Warren was recently expressed, and actually taken to a whole new level, by none other than Code Orange Revival/Elevation Church founder himself, Steven Furtick, in the release of a 'hissssss'-y fit video about ten months ago [3-1-11] called "Hey haters":
:01 Hey haters...I hate to break this to you but, your day is done...
:23 we're sick and tired of your pervasive propensity to pick a fight and hide the light...so scared to death of difference, shaking your fist in the face of change:
:41 I hear you hating on some people cause they're not deep enough...you're full of opinions but low on the spirit...cause the spirit is love...the spirit is peace...the spirit is kindness
1:10 you look like a toddler drawing lines in the sand...but for all your hating and pontificating...there is no change..
1:28 fall back...it's a new day...cause we're not looking for approval from you
1:38 are you going to criticize or create
1:48 are you going to exchange your hate, trade the pain of the same, embrace a new way to change the world
1:59 a new light has dawned..to still the tongue of the cynic..
Furtick: "Hey Haters" Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God:
because many false prophets are gone out into the world - 1 John 4:1
Note that there is not a single mention of the Lord Jesus Christ. There is not a single mention of earnestly contending for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints...but on the contrary...a vitriolic tirade actually directed at those whom to the best of their abilities have in fact been rightfully doing just that - contending for the faith by voicing objections to what Furtick calls the "new way', the "new day", and the "new light". 'Fundamentally' unscriptural is the complaint. This does not make New Triber Furtick happy.
According to Furtick, these are "haters", and he declares that their day is done. According to Furtick haters are "hiding the light...scared of difference...shaking their fist in the face of change..."
And according to Furtick, haters are "full of opinions but low on the spirit...[of]...love, peace, kindness...like toddlers drawing lines in the sand..." [translated: scriptural accuracy (aka your 'opinion') is not crucial because no one has a corner on truth, so quit playing in the sand kiddies and get enlightened like us and come to the 'new light' where it's all about loooove and accepting whatever - it's all good]
And on and on, but to wrap this up for the time being...the crux of the matter for those who have not already bowed the knee to the likes of Furtick and his gang of new way new day new light New Tribers is found in these statements also pulled from the video:
"Fall back...it's a new day", orders Furtick [1:28], "...are you going to exchange your hate...embrace a new way to change the world..." [1:48]
Those statements need no translation, they are clear. The New Tribers, who are obviously not enemies but friends-of-the-21st-century, represented here by Furtick, have served notice. Either exchange your "fundamentalism" [i.e. biblical Christianity] and embrace the "new way to change the world", i.e. the evolving New Tribe inclusive spirituality, which these conferences are dialectically advancing, or "your day is done". And if not, then "fall back", demands New Tribe evangelist Furtick, channeling Warren now in essentially raising non-compliance i.e. 'hating' to the level of being an "enemy of the 21st century".
Funny thing about that dreamy concept of changing the world is that 'fixing' and/or 'saving' and/or 'changing' this present world is nowhere found in the Holy Bible. Absolutely nowhere is the Christian church instructed to "change the world". It cannot be found. The scripture is clear, but unbelief blinds the eyes.
The idea of the Christian church changing the world is as far from reality as could be. The Word of God gives us the exact opposite scenario. It foretells the utter corruption of the 'professing' church as being the final state of Christendom [Rev. 3:16-17], and tells us that at that time it will merge into and become part of the political-spiritual world government of Antichrist [Rev. 17:3]. The New Tribe concept is how that will happen.
Orange is the wrong color code for what is happening here. And it definitely is no "revival". But a warning does need to be put out...a Code Red for danger danger. If you are already involved but not yet fully mesmerized by the 'dawning of the new light' then it is highly recommended to get out immediately, and take as many as possible with you. Rev. 18:4
To be continued...
follow up elephant room 2: prophecy; apostasy
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see: Emergent-Dominionists, There Will Be No "Revival": Few Saved - by J.C. Ryle
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Matthew 7:22-23 'Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity'
***
With that thought in mind it is important to take note of the current state of affairs in the present world of so-called Christendom here at the beginning of 2012; in particular with regard to two conferences - one underway now and a second which will follow immediately after:
What: Code Orange Revival (underway) "A twelve night worship experience to set the stage for 2012
When: January 11 - 22, 2012
Where: Steven Furtick's "Elevation Church", Charlotte, NC
Who: Craig Groeschel; Jentezen Franklin; Matt Chandler; Christine Caine; Ed Young; Israel Houghton; Perry Noble; Stovall Weems; Kevin Gerald; T. D. Jakes; James MacDonald; Steven Furtick
About: "Code Orange has a lot of meanings in different sectors of society, but in general it signifies that there is a heightened sense of urgency—something significant is about to happen. Probably the most fitting example that relates to our revival is the description for the Code Orange stage of a volcano: Exhibiting heightened or escalating unrest with increased potential of eruption, timeframe uncertain. That's what the Code Orange Revival is about. We are asking and believing God for an eruption of His power and movement among us in 2012. The 12 days that we will gather for the revival is the stage just before the eruption....The event will be broadcast live on the web for free all over the world from Elevation
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What: Elephant Room
When: One day only - January 25, 2012 from 9 – 4 CST
Where: Harvest Studios in Aurora, IL; simulcast at 65 locations around North America.
Who: Jack Graham; T.D. Jakes; Crawford Loritts; Mark Driscoll; Wayne Cordeiro; James MacDonald, Steven Furtick
About: The Elephant Room features blunt conversations between seven influential pastors who take differing approaches to ministry. No keynotes. No canned messages. These are “the conversations you never thought you’d hear.”...The Elephant Room is more than an event. It is the outgrowth of an idea...No one has a corner on the truth and methods must do more than ‘work.’
What if we created a new ‘tribe?’ A tribe based on being humble enough to listen and reconsider what the Scriptures actually say. A tribe that holds the essential tenets of the faith with a ferocious intensity and is open handed with everything else. Maybe, together, we can create a new center? A place where we are for everything the bible demands and demand nothing that scriptures are silent about. Look for guests from all places and belief systems. Don’t be surprised if you hear a conversation with someone that offends you or denies the faith as you see it. Don’t be shocked if you hear conversations with world religion leaders, or criminals or sinners of every variety, “such were some of us.” If the conversation can be helpful, clarifying, insistent or illuminating, or if we hope it will be . . . you will find it in the Elephant Room.
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First thing to notice is that the conferences are basically back to back and feature some of the same speakers so they must be considered as designed to complement each other. The "Code Orange Revival", presently underway, is described basically as the rumblings of a volcano threatening to erupt...with the 12-day "revival" being the stage just before the eruption. The "eruption" of course, when it does happen, is to be a new and powerful 'movement of God' in 2012. Big is easier to sell.
The second conference, the so-called Elephant Room, will then pick up right where the "revival" left off and begin to focus the energy and give it a tangible direction. What direction that will be is actually summed up neatly in their own mission statement, quoted above. It says "What if we created a new tribe?"
A new tribe. There it is, the whole thing in a nutshell. To make this happen the Elephant Room conference will bring in seven big names in Christendom representing a cross-section of different views and doctrinal beliefs and sit them down so all together now they can "reconsider what the scriptures actually say", because, "no one has a corner on the truth". With those ground rules agreed to, "the conversations" will begin and the different views will then begin to be merged and a pre-planned compromise reached. The new tribe concept will be birthed across the globe. The handiwork of the hegelian dialectic.
That very briefly is an overview of what is taking place.
"Transformation" is what it is all about. The transformation of the existing world system into a global society. That process is far advanced. Before it can be completed though the religions of the world must also be transformed so that they can be fitted into the new global system. This definitely includes the 'Christian religion'. It too must be "transformed" which will mean embracing the 'new way' of love, peace, tolerance, and acceptance, finding it's equal place in the "spiritual brotherhood" of mankind where "religious" is out but "spiritual" is in, because religion divides but spirituality is inclusive. Which is exactly what these conferences are for...moving old way old day Christendom into casting aside religious differences...and creating the new way new day characterized not by divisiveness but by inclusivity - the "New Tribe". With the big names involved in this, it must be considered as being very significant. The strong delusion will be far reaching.
There is still one big problem though, the one identified by Rick Warren a few years back - it is those nasty "Christian fundamentalists". They are just too religious. They just will not "embrace change"...and because of that are the "enemies of the 21st century" [see 'Warren' at top]
Christian fundamentalists as enemies brings up a very interesting connection to these conferences. That same sentiment expressed by Warren was recently expressed, and actually taken to a whole new level, by none other than Code Orange Revival/Elevation Church founder himself, Steven Furtick, in the release of a 'hissssss'-y fit video about ten months ago [3-1-11] called "Hey haters":
:01 Hey haters...I hate to break this to you but, your day is done...
:23 we're sick and tired of your pervasive propensity to pick a fight and hide the light...so scared to death of difference, shaking your fist in the face of change:
:41 I hear you hating on some people cause they're not deep enough...you're full of opinions but low on the spirit...cause the spirit is love...the spirit is peace...the spirit is kindness
1:10 you look like a toddler drawing lines in the sand...but for all your hating and pontificating...there is no change..
1:28 fall back...it's a new day...cause we're not looking for approval from you
1:38 are you going to criticize or create
1:48 are you going to exchange your hate, trade the pain of the same, embrace a new way to change the world
1:59 a new light has dawned..to still the tongue of the cynic..
Furtick: "Hey Haters" Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God:
because many false prophets are gone out into the world - 1 John 4:1
Note that there is not a single mention of the Lord Jesus Christ. There is not a single mention of earnestly contending for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints...but on the contrary...a vitriolic tirade actually directed at those whom to the best of their abilities have in fact been rightfully doing just that - contending for the faith by voicing objections to what Furtick calls the "new way', the "new day", and the "new light". 'Fundamentally' unscriptural is the complaint. This does not make New Triber Furtick happy.
According to Furtick, these are "haters", and he declares that their day is done. According to Furtick haters are "hiding the light...scared of difference...shaking their fist in the face of change..."
And according to Furtick, haters are "full of opinions but low on the spirit...[of]...love, peace, kindness...like toddlers drawing lines in the sand..." [translated: scriptural accuracy (aka your 'opinion') is not crucial because no one has a corner on truth, so quit playing in the sand kiddies and get enlightened like us and come to the 'new light' where it's all about loooove and accepting whatever - it's all good]
And on and on, but to wrap this up for the time being...the crux of the matter for those who have not already bowed the knee to the likes of Furtick and his gang of new way new day new light New Tribers is found in these statements also pulled from the video:
"Fall back...it's a new day", orders Furtick [1:28], "...are you going to exchange your hate...embrace a new way to change the world..." [1:48]
Those statements need no translation, they are clear. The New Tribers, who are obviously not enemies but friends-of-the-21st-century, represented here by Furtick, have served notice. Either exchange your "fundamentalism" [i.e. biblical Christianity] and embrace the "new way to change the world", i.e. the evolving New Tribe inclusive spirituality, which these conferences are dialectically advancing, or "your day is done". And if not, then "fall back", demands New Tribe evangelist Furtick, channeling Warren now in essentially raising non-compliance i.e. 'hating' to the level of being an "enemy of the 21st century".
Funny thing about that dreamy concept of changing the world is that 'fixing' and/or 'saving' and/or 'changing' this present world is nowhere found in the Holy Bible. Absolutely nowhere is the Christian church instructed to "change the world". It cannot be found. The scripture is clear, but unbelief blinds the eyes.
The idea of the Christian church changing the world is as far from reality as could be. The Word of God gives us the exact opposite scenario. It foretells the utter corruption of the 'professing' church as being the final state of Christendom [Rev. 3:16-17], and tells us that at that time it will merge into and become part of the political-spiritual world government of Antichrist [Rev. 17:3]. The New Tribe concept is how that will happen.
Orange is the wrong color code for what is happening here. And it definitely is no "revival". But a warning does need to be put out...a Code Red for danger danger. If you are already involved but not yet fully mesmerized by the 'dawning of the new light' then it is highly recommended to get out immediately, and take as many as possible with you. Rev. 18:4
To be continued...
follow up elephant room 2: prophecy; apostasy
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see: Emergent-Dominionists, There Will Be No "Revival": Few Saved - by J.C. Ryle
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Matthew 7:22-23 'Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity'
oh screw you you jackass actually GO to elevation before you spout off garbage like this. pastor steven is MY pastor and i feel insulted by this blabber. he's a better man than you.
ReplyDeletesigned,
a PROUD elevator!
PROUD,
ReplyDeleteyour language reveals much...
one suggestion...could be a good idea for you to get a concordance and do a word study on "PROUD". It's not a good thing.
Ps. 138:6 might be a good place to start.
In the mouth of the foolish is a rod of pride...Prov14:3
ReplyDeleteWe are supposed to aspire to walk like Jesus, to follow Him and His way's. To the PROUD elevator, does your manner of speech glorify God....NO....but it does glorify your pastor!!! And it just goes to show what this Church is all about ...... luke 6:45 "A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth evil. For out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.....enough said. I honestly & sincerely pray for you.
ReplyDeleteI dont understand all the negative comments about pastor Furtick. Is it not the purpose of a pastor to lead and inspire people to live a life that connects them to jesus. I only can speak of my experience at Elevation. Since I started going 5 years ago I have grown stronger in my walk with God. Pastor furtick has encouraged me to read the bible daily. I dont always do that but I am way more dedicated to this than before i went to elevation. Pastor has encouraged me to be more generous. Not only to the church but to all people I come across. We are commanded to serve others expecially those in need. Has pastor Furtick ever said anything that maybe he shouldnt have. Of course he has. You can not name one Pastor anywhere in the world who is always perfect in what he says. They should not be condemened as false teachers and generally awfull people. Only one person has ever been perfect. Jesus christ. Its ok if elevation is not for you but I encourage all of you to find a place where your pastor is a leader. Pastor Furtick is the greatest leader for Christ that I have ever come across for me. Hopefully your pastors are doing the same thing for you. God bless and good luck in our life long journey in knowing god
ReplyDeleteJulie,
ReplyDeleteActs 17:11 is a scripture that teaches us that it is our responsibility to make sure that what we are being taught by any 'leader' is correct:
"... they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so"
They searched the scriptures themselves to make sure that what they were being taught was true. If what we are 'receiving' is not correct, then it is very possible that we could be led in the wrong direction.
Which is the main point of this post, to point out to someone like you actually, that you are being taken in a completely wrong direction.
Here is what Furtick is teaching, quoted from the video in this post: "...embrace a new way to change the world"
This a very serious false teaching. There is no "new way", and the world will not be changed. Satan is still the god of this world.
You will not find either of these things in the scriptures, no matter how long or how hard you search. Never. They are false.
These are not 'little matters' either, but are the foundation of everything Elevation is about. And, he wants you to "embrace them".
Going in a "new way" is a dangerous deception, and many are being led astray. To bring this to light is not about making negative comments, but is about making a defense of what is true.
My hope is that you will go and find out for yourself if these things are so.
tm
Gal. 1:8 "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed"
Wow. I really do love the internet nowadays. Anyone with the smallest possible IQ can write the most critical and ridiculous statements about the any pastor. Im not sure who the author of this blog is, nor do I really care for such "dogs" (Phil 3:2).
ReplyDeleteHere is a perfect image of Furtick- a man devoted to the Bible and God's Calling in his life, doing the work of the gospel with the guidance of the Holy Spirit- a man who is doing probably nothing for the glory of God and complaining of how Furtick is doing it. Immature, maybe, I like to label this as laziness.
If you dont like what Furtick is doing-which is quite biblical (Matt 28:19-20)- get off your couch and start bringing out the Gospel to the world how ever you feel its "biblical." Because I feel that Furtick is doing a great job.
To God Alone be the Glory,
Dan
(Graduate of Moody Bible Institute and non-member of Elevation)
Wow. I really do love the internet nowadays. Anyone with the smallest possible IQ can write the most critical and ridiculous statements about the any pastor. Im not sure who the author of this blog is, nor do I really care for such "dogs" (Phil 3:2).
ReplyDeleteDan i apologize for being harsh sir but do you even know what Phil 3:2 says? why did you even quote it? it makes no sense to your point. it talks about the false teachers that preached the law for salvation. the only reason you put it in there it seems was to justify calling the author of this post a "dog".
Phil 3:2 perfectly describes "pastor" furtick. he does not preach the gospel. but only human effort. you have to do this and that for God to bless you. it is all law that he preaches. also sharing the gospel is not about sharing what God will do for you but what Christ has done for us. i have not listened to every sermon preached by mr. Furtick but to the ones i have listened to i have never heard a clear gospel presentation.
also there is no need for questioning a person's intelligence. attacking others is not very polite. this author is making a point on 2 Timothy 4:3-4. he feels this is one of those wolves trying to lure those that have itching ears. if you do not agree with what he presented say so and give reasons why. not attack the persons character.
LOL steve is acting like one the mad Ric Flair pro wrestlers.it is because of money powers & winning victory scam/fraud.don't try to boss me around.it will not happen ever!his voice is hiding & holding back something.i don't need your job either!Let's say AMEN!
ReplyDeleteThis is a few years old, but wow, the 'Furtick worship' even 6 years ago was stunning! If you haven't seen it lately, check out some YouTube comments on his videos. The guy even professed to be God Almighty' just a few weeks ago. This time of apostasy is so "in our faces" and Antichrist will one day just 'finish it off'.I guess we "remain enemies" as followers and lovers of the Truth, and as one having to study on my own (homebound) I STILL will not suffer false Doctrine for anyone. I wish I had been led here years ago, though I am grateful to have been led here at all. (Praise You, Lord Jesus, thank You for Your Holy Ghost!) You remain in my prayers, fellow "enemy" as like myself, I know Christ always remains first in your heart as well. As for Steven Furtick, I'll NEVER call him a pastor, and yes, so what, he has a "fan club". However, my heart ACHES for any saved believer who may not be wise enough to leave his "church" if there are any there by chance. The clear, truth of Scripture running though ALL of your postings is like more balm to my Soul as after reading the word myself, I come here often. It's SO rare anywhere anymore. God bless and keep you, brother. I so love this Blog, as I so love the Truth!
ReplyDeleteto Meme
ReplyDeleteScripture on every page - never seemed to be any reason to do this otherwise. So that whoever ended up on whatever page, whether believer, nominal Christian, or non-believer, they would always end up reading some of the Word of God - like it or not.
We thank thee LORD for thy Word
"Scripture on every page - never seemed to be any reason to do this otherwise. So that whoever ended up on whatever page, whether believer, nominal Christian, or non-believer, they would always end up reading some of the Word of God - like it or not."
ReplyDeleteTo that, I would like to say a hearty AMEN!!!
And share these:
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2 Samuel 7:21
For
thy word’s sake,
and according to thine own heart, hast thou done all these great things, to make thy servant know them.
Psalms 119:50
This is my comfort in my affliction: for
thy word
hath quickened me.
Psalms 119:82
Mine eyes fail
for thy word,
saying, When wilt thou comfort me?
Daniel 10:12
Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come
for thy words.
For thy word/s!