This post is a follow up on: Code Red: 'Code Orange' False Revival; Steven Furtick; And The Elephant Room 1-15-12 "A new tribe. There it is in a nutshell..."Transformation" is what it is all about. The transformation of the existing world system into a global society...This definitely includes the 'Christian religion'. It too must be "transformed" which will mean embracing the 'new way' of love, peace, tolerance, and acceptance, finding it's equal place in the "spiritual brotherhood" of mankind...The New Tribers...represented here by Furtick, have served notice. Either exchange your "fundamentalism" [i.e. biblical Christianity] and embrace the "new way to change the world", i.e. the evolving New Tribe inclusive spirituality, which these conferences are dialectically advancing, or "your day is done". [ see post]
***
What:
Elephant Room 2 When: One day only - January 25, 2012 from 9 – 4 CST
Where: Harvest Studios in Aurora, IL; simulcast at 65 locations around North America.
Who: Jack Graham; T.D. Jakes; Crawford Loritts; Mark Driscoll; Wayne Cordeiro; James MacDonald, Steven Furtick
About: The Elephant Room features blunt conversations between seven influential pastors who take differing approaches to ministry. No keynotes. No canned messages. These are “the conversations you never thought you’d hear.”...The Elephant Room is more than an event. It is the outgrowth of an idea...No one has a corner on the truth and methods must do more than ‘work.’
What if we created a new ‘tribe?’ A tribe based on being humble enough to listen and reconsider what the Scriptures actually say. A tribe that holds the essential tenets of the faith with a ferocious intensity and is open handed with everything else. Maybe, together, we can create a new center? A place where we are for everything the bible demands and demand nothing that scriptures are silent about. Look for guests from all places and belief systems. Don’t be surprised if you hear a conversation with someone that offends you or denies the faith as you see it. Don’t be shocked if you hear conversations with world religion leaders, or criminals or sinners of every variety, “such were some of us.” If the conversation can be helpful, clarifying, insistent or illuminating, or if we hope it will be . . .you will find it in the Elephant Room.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant...." 2Peter 3:3-5
The phrase "elephant in the room" is used to describe a very large problem that everybody knows about but nobody wants to talk about because it is either very uncomfortable to talk about or it is too controversial. According to Jack Graham, T.D. Jakes, Crawford Loritts, Mark Driscoll, Wayne Cordeiro, James MacDonald [pictured], and Steven Furtick, there is an "elephant in the room" of the so-called Christian world, and that elephant is 'non-unity'. So deciding that the time has come to deal with the Christian elephant of non-unity, they elected themselves to hold a conference where all the causes of division in the so-called church world could be hashed out, and called it the "Elephant Room".
There is a huge problem with this though, and it's bigger than any elephant. Reinterpreting the Word of God as a means of creating pseudo-unity is bad enough certainly, but that is really not the end goal. What this is really about is creating an organization over Christendom - the name Christendom signifying the outwardly visible professing church across the entire spectrum. The men named above, with their various organizations, represent a vast cross section of this so-called Christendom. These organizations are now autonomous, but autonomy is not 'sustainable' for the future global society. They must be partnered and networked, i.e. unified, for global-management purposes. This is what the "Elephant Room" is really about. It is a ruse of the global agenda. Wiring the system, so to speak, to begin establishing centralized control over the whole.
The false preterist-dominionist doctrine which makes the Book of Revelation a thing of the past [here] has prepared the unsuspecting masses of Laodicean church members to follow blindly, and they are. The very real blessed hope of the imminent coming of the Lord Jesus Christ for his bride is by them rejected. Likewise the judgment to follow of the Christ rejecting Jews and world - either deferred to the distant future or allegorized away completely. In it's place they have been sold a bill of goods about "building the kingdom of God" and "changing the world". Not going to happen. There is a kingdom being built though. see: kingdom of God, or Antichrist?
And who is it that has sold them this bill of goods? According to the apostle Peter [2Pet. 3:3-5] false teachers would come in the last days who would scoff at the idea of the imminent coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. The scripture is a prophecy and it describes the condition of things today. Those who 'sell' doctrines like preterism and dominionism are, according to the Bible, scoffers. According to them the imminent coming of the Lord Jesus Christ is a fantasy. "Where is the promise of his coming", they proudly scoff, but the Word of God notes this about that: "they willingly are ignorant".
Jack Graham, T.D. Jakes, Crawford Loritts, Mark Driscoll, Wayne Cordeiro, James MacDonald, and Steven Furtick all fall into this category of scoffers, having exchanged the 'blessed hope' [Titus 2:13] for the preterist/amillennial delusion of earthly dominion.
Jude also spoke prophetically about men who would in the last days make themselves out to be leaders over the entire Christian church, which in reality is exactly what the above group is doing. In a passage directly paralleling 2Peter 3:3-5, he first cautioned the "beloved" to "remember" that they had been told this would be the case, to expect it [Jude 17-18], and then spoke about the men themselves. Jude 19 reads: "These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit"
They "separate themselves", wrote Jude. In other words, they make themselves out as 'large and in charge'. The verse could even be seen as meaning that these would set themselves apart as directors over the entire Church. Something, perhaps, like a board of directors sitting in an "elephant room" thinking that they have the right to interpret the Word of God to fit their agenda and to direct policy for all churches everywhere. They might even tell you that "your day is done" unless you go along with them [see "Furtick" at top]. Jude goes on to point out that they who do this are "sensual", which is to say fleshly and self-willed, and most importantly for the believer to understand, that they "have not the Spirit".
They have not the Spirit. Let that sink in. It matters not how much they may go on and on about the "Holy Spirit", He - the Holy Ghost - is not in it, or them. And it matters not who preached this or that because, since "they have not the Spirit", the whole thing is a wash. "That which is born of the flesh is flesh". The third person of the Triune Godhead, God the Holy Ghost, is not in any way involved in creating false unity among those who hold every wind of doctrine and are ignorantly or knowingly helping to build the kingdom of Antichrist on earth. The Holy Ghost is about the work of calling the true church 'out' of this Satan-controlled world system, and that call is a heavenly call. [Heb. 3:1].
Wherefore come out from among them and be ye separate, saith the Lord.
***
Jer. 23:32 'Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD'
_____________________________________________________________
see also: 'Code Orange' Emergent-Dominionists: "Remember Lot's Wife"
Follow up 1-27-12
***
What:
Elephant Room 2 When: One day only - January 25, 2012 from 9 – 4 CST
Where: Harvest Studios in Aurora, IL; simulcast at 65 locations around North America.
Who: Jack Graham; T.D. Jakes; Crawford Loritts; Mark Driscoll; Wayne Cordeiro; James MacDonald, Steven Furtick
About: The Elephant Room features blunt conversations between seven influential pastors who take differing approaches to ministry. No keynotes. No canned messages. These are “the conversations you never thought you’d hear.”...The Elephant Room is more than an event. It is the outgrowth of an idea...No one has a corner on the truth and methods must do more than ‘work.’
What if we created a new ‘tribe?’ A tribe based on being humble enough to listen and reconsider what the Scriptures actually say. A tribe that holds the essential tenets of the faith with a ferocious intensity and is open handed with everything else. Maybe, together, we can create a new center? A place where we are for everything the bible demands and demand nothing that scriptures are silent about. Look for guests from all places and belief systems. Don’t be surprised if you hear a conversation with someone that offends you or denies the faith as you see it. Don’t be shocked if you hear conversations with world religion leaders, or criminals or sinners of every variety, “such were some of us.” If the conversation can be helpful, clarifying, insistent or illuminating, or if we hope it will be . . .you will find it in the Elephant Room.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant...." 2Peter 3:3-5
The phrase "elephant in the room" is used to describe a very large problem that everybody knows about but nobody wants to talk about because it is either very uncomfortable to talk about or it is too controversial. According to Jack Graham, T.D. Jakes, Crawford Loritts, Mark Driscoll, Wayne Cordeiro, James MacDonald [pictured], and Steven Furtick, there is an "elephant in the room" of the so-called Christian world, and that elephant is 'non-unity'. So deciding that the time has come to deal with the Christian elephant of non-unity, they elected themselves to hold a conference where all the causes of division in the so-called church world could be hashed out, and called it the "Elephant Room".There is a huge problem with this though, and it's bigger than any elephant. Reinterpreting the Word of God as a means of creating pseudo-unity is bad enough certainly, but that is really not the end goal. What this is really about is creating an organization over Christendom - the name Christendom signifying the outwardly visible professing church across the entire spectrum. The men named above, with their various organizations, represent a vast cross section of this so-called Christendom. These organizations are now autonomous, but autonomy is not 'sustainable' for the future global society. They must be partnered and networked, i.e. unified, for global-management purposes. This is what the "Elephant Room" is really about. It is a ruse of the global agenda. Wiring the system, so to speak, to begin establishing centralized control over the whole.
The false preterist-dominionist doctrine which makes the Book of Revelation a thing of the past [here] has prepared the unsuspecting masses of Laodicean church members to follow blindly, and they are. The very real blessed hope of the imminent coming of the Lord Jesus Christ for his bride is by them rejected. Likewise the judgment to follow of the Christ rejecting Jews and world - either deferred to the distant future or allegorized away completely. In it's place they have been sold a bill of goods about "building the kingdom of God" and "changing the world". Not going to happen. There is a kingdom being built though. see: kingdom of God, or Antichrist?
And who is it that has sold them this bill of goods? According to the apostle Peter [2Pet. 3:3-5] false teachers would come in the last days who would scoff at the idea of the imminent coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. The scripture is a prophecy and it describes the condition of things today. Those who 'sell' doctrines like preterism and dominionism are, according to the Bible, scoffers. According to them the imminent coming of the Lord Jesus Christ is a fantasy. "Where is the promise of his coming", they proudly scoff, but the Word of God notes this about that: "they willingly are ignorant".
Jack Graham, T.D. Jakes, Crawford Loritts, Mark Driscoll, Wayne Cordeiro, James MacDonald, and Steven Furtick all fall into this category of scoffers, having exchanged the 'blessed hope' [Titus 2:13] for the preterist/amillennial delusion of earthly dominion.
Jude also spoke prophetically about men who would in the last days make themselves out to be leaders over the entire Christian church, which in reality is exactly what the above group is doing. In a passage directly paralleling 2Peter 3:3-5, he first cautioned the "beloved" to "remember" that they had been told this would be the case, to expect it [Jude 17-18], and then spoke about the men themselves. Jude 19 reads: "These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit"
They "separate themselves", wrote Jude. In other words, they make themselves out as 'large and in charge'. The verse could even be seen as meaning that these would set themselves apart as directors over the entire Church. Something, perhaps, like a board of directors sitting in an "elephant room" thinking that they have the right to interpret the Word of God to fit their agenda and to direct policy for all churches everywhere. They might even tell you that "your day is done" unless you go along with them [see "Furtick" at top]. Jude goes on to point out that they who do this are "sensual", which is to say fleshly and self-willed, and most importantly for the believer to understand, that they "have not the Spirit".
They have not the Spirit. Let that sink in. It matters not how much they may go on and on about the "Holy Spirit", He - the Holy Ghost - is not in it, or them. And it matters not who preached this or that because, since "they have not the Spirit", the whole thing is a wash. "That which is born of the flesh is flesh". The third person of the Triune Godhead, God the Holy Ghost, is not in any way involved in creating false unity among those who hold every wind of doctrine and are ignorantly or knowingly helping to build the kingdom of Antichrist on earth. The Holy Ghost is about the work of calling the true church 'out' of this Satan-controlled world system, and that call is a heavenly call. [Heb. 3:1].
Wherefore come out from among them and be ye separate, saith the Lord.
***
Jer. 23:32 'Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD'
_____________________________________________________________
see also: 'Code Orange' Emergent-Dominionists: "Remember Lot's Wife"
Follow up 1-27-12
Really???
ReplyDeleteThanks for your nonsense and quite frankly stupidity that you post on the worldwide web for all to see.
I just want to say one thing to you:
"Im praying for you."
I believe that every Christian has the Holy Spirit convicting them, so if you really are a Christian, Ill just allow the Spirit of God to convict you and show your errors.
Much Love
Dan
Couldn't have said it better myself. This blog is wayyy off
DeleteAs a former member of Harvest Bible Chapel for well over 10 years, I want to say that your thoughts and observations concerning the 'Elephant Room' are NOT "nonsense" and "wayyy off." Sadly there has definitely been a drift from Biblical truth and an increasing decision to embrace those who are preaching heresy at Harvest. The lines between truth and error have now been blurred by what happened--or maybe I should say what didn't happen--concerning T D Jakes in the E R. Believers are followers of Christ and not to be a part of a "new tribe."
ReplyDeleteBecause James MacDonald did not take a stronger stand for Biblical truth at E R, I decided to leave Harvest. Just wanted to thank you for the courage to write this.
God's Word is filled with warnings about deception in the last days, so we must be like the Bereans and 'examine the Scriptures daily to see if what is being said is true,' (Acts 17:11) so we will not be led into deception. People need to wake up and test things in light of Scripture! God bless you.
~Concerned And Praying~
Concerned,
ReplyDeleteVery glad to hear that you made it out. My experience has been that not too many do. It can be hard to make that final break but at the same time to come out from under error really is a tremendous feeling of relief.
re: blurred lines
As for the doctrinal-direction in which these men are now steering the Laodicean Express Bus...
Like you say the lines have been blurred - and the reality is that the lines that are now being blurred, are in the "new tribe" future to be completely erased.
The Laodicean Express is being driven to the City of Global Spirituality.
Hebrews 13:13–14 'Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach. For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come'
pray without ceasing...
Good article. This push for "unity" is boring. And it is always knocking down doctrine to achieve this worthless "unity". What is the point of unity without truth? What would people be unifying around?
ReplyDeleteA lie.